[sigcomm] attendance policies for SIGCOMM-affiliated events

[Larry Peterson]

I didn't mean to cut off debate, but just to focus it on what
I saw to be the two alternatives.

You're right that people could have differences of opinion in
reaching the two alternatives I suggest, but the main issue in
that chain that I see is whether there is value in a limited
attendance workshop. I don't know that I've seen anyone argue
against that position. (Arguing that all SIG events should be
open is a different position, and one that I certainly recognize).

Larry

On Oct 25, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Mark Allman wrote:



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> Larry-
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> Vern asked a set of good questions.  We should discuss them.  This  
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> is not part of such a discussion.  You started it.
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>> So, in my view, it seems to come down to two alternatives:
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>> 1) HotNets continues with SIGCOMM sponsorship, remains closed,
>>     but has a more transparent admissions policy; or
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>> 2) HotNets leaves the SIGCOMM nest.
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> is not part of a useful discussion on the questions Vern asked.
> Conferences / workshops / etc. that want to use the SIG umbrella  
> for the
> benefits (which you clearly believe are present - from reading your
> note) at least have the responsibility to engage in a discussion with
> the community on issues like this, IMO.  If the grass roots that pitch
> ideas to the SIG cannot agree to that then I don't feel  
> particularly bad
> about seeing the door hit 'em on the way out.
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> Reasonable people can, of course, have philosophical differences  
> and one
> could envision things coming to your (1) or (2).  I would hope that
> maybe we could all reason about these things and it would not come to
> that.  At least I would hope that we could *have* a discussion before
> people start throwing down "my way or else" sorts of statements.
> (Statements which are clearly ludicrous anyway ... as if there aren't
> many very able people in this community who could drive a new SIGCOMM
> workshop on "Hot Topics In Networking".)
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> For instance, I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning behind this
> statement ...
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>> I also strongly believe that there is a valuable place for workshops
>> with limited attendance.
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> That would be useful to me.  (Not saying I agree or disagree ... just
> that I'd like to have *that* conversation and I'd be quite  
> interested in
> your thinking on the matter since you have been through all stages of
> a number of such events.)
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> allman
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