From touch at ISI.EDU Wed Dec 12 10:07:24 2007 From: touch at ISI.EDU (Joe Touch) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:07:24 -0800 Subject: [ih] CFP - 2008 Conf. of the Society for the History of Technology Message-ID: <4760235C.1060204@isi.edu> (posted on behalf of Martina Hessler; send replies directly to her) 2008 Annual Conference of the Society for the History of Technology www.historyoftechnology.org Call for Papers The Society for the History of Technology will hold its annual meeting in Lisbon, October 11-14, to continue the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the founding of the Society. The theme of last year?s conference was ?SHOT at 50: Looking Back.? This year?s will be ?SHOT at 50: Looking Beyond.? To that end, the Program Committee seeks papers or sessions for the 2008 meeting that concern the history of technology as it may or ought to be practiced in the future. Papers or sessions devoted to the question of how we shall write the history of technology in the future are particularly encouraged. To serve the purpose of ?Looking Beyond? the Committee also appreciates papers or panels reaching out beyond SHOT's current disciplinary boundaries. The Committee will also consider papers of high quality on any aspect of the history of technology, broadly defined. The Committee welcomes proposals for individual papers or sessions, as well as works-in-progress from researchers of all stripes (including graduate students, chaired professors, and independent scholars). It welcomes proposals from those new to SHOT, regardless of discipline. The committee will also consider alternative venues for presenting one?s scholarship, such as poster sessions, short (8-minute) quick sessions, author-meets-critics panels, discussion of pre-circulated papers, and others. The deadline for submission is March 14, 2008. Proposals for individual papers must include: 1) a one-page abstract (maximum 600 words) 2) a one-page curriculum vitae, including current postal and e-mail addresses Proposals for complete sessions must include: 1) a description of the session that explains how individual papers contribute to an overall theme. 2) the names and paper titles of the presenters 3) for each presenter, a one-page summary (maximum 600 words) of the paper?s topic, argument(s), and evidence used 4) for the commentator, chair, and each presenter: one-page c.v., with postal and e-mail addresses Please indicate if a proposal is sponsored by one of SHOT?s special interest groups. Submission Instructions 1) Materials should be sent as a single text attachment to an e-mail message to the Program Committee Chair, Martina Hessler, at: shot at em.uni-frankfurt.de 2) Proposals for complete sessions as well as individual papers shall be submitted in one file. 3) Please adhere to the 600-word limit for each paper. Use no unusual fonts or special formatting, and save your attachment either as a Microsoft Word document (.doc) or as a Rich Text Format (.rtf) file. Nearly all word processing programs, including those used on the Macintosh, can save text in the Rich Text Format. Do not use Adobe Acrobat (pdf). 4) Name your attachment with your last name and the word 'proposal', e.g. 'Smith_proposal.doc'. 5) A session organizer should also deliver a description of the overall session. If you are organizing a session and proposing a paper in that session, you will be delivering both an ?abstract? and ?proposal?, plus your c.v. 6) If you are proposing a non-traditional session you may indicate that in the "abstract." These also require a curriculum vitae. From bortzmeyer at nic.fr Thu Dec 13 02:19:48 2007 From: bortzmeyer at nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:48 +0100 Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? Message-ID: <20071213101948.GA5013@nic.fr> I'm searching for an old version of HOSTS.TXT, preferrably somewhere around RFC 608 (1974). The only one I know is a much recent version (http://ftp.univie.ac.at/netinfo/netinfo/hosts.txt). From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 05:20:41 2007 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:20:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? Message-ID: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer > I'm searching for an old version of HOSTS.TXT The oldest official NIC one I could locate online quickly was from 22 March, 1985, here: http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops20_v6_1_tcpip_installation_tp_ft6/06/new-system/hosts.txt Maybe someone has an older one stashed away that's not online? If all you need is the information, there's an MIT/Stanford 'hacked' one online from March 15, 1983 (which interestingly is pre-TCP, unlike the 1985 NIC one), here inside this archive: http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1 That's an ITS archive, but since it's not compressed, and the contents are mostly text you can just grovel through it with an editor and find the file. I don't think there's a non-ITS archive program to read ITS archives; if you must, you can log into its.svensson.org (use TELNET) and run the ITS archive reader on it. (Have fun learning DDT!) The directory: http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3b contains much other interesting semi-antique trivia. > preferrably somewhere around RFC 608 (1974) That's into serious history. Someone might have to spin a backup tape (if there's a drive, and the tape doesn't disintegrate) to get one that old. Noel From bortzmeyer at nic.fr Thu Dec 13 08:41:33 2007 From: bortzmeyer at nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:41:33 +0100 Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? In-Reply-To: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20071213164133.GA15313@nic.fr> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:20:41AM -0500, Noel Chiappa wrote a message of 37 lines which said: > The oldest official NIC one I could locate online quickly was from 22 March, > 1985, here: Thanks. > http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1 > > That's an ITS archive, but since it's not compressed, and the contents are > mostly text you can just grovel through it with an editor Very interesting and, yes, it works. Thanks. > > preferrably somewhere around RFC 608 (1974) > > That's into serious history. Someone might have to spin a backup tape (if > there's a drive, and the tape doesn't disintegrate) to get one that old. I hoped someone would have copy the file on each new-generation machine (the only serious way to preserve old computer files). From mills at udel.edu Thu Dec 13 14:46:59 2007 From: mills at udel.edu (David L. Mills) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:46:59 +0000 Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? In-Reply-To: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4761B663.6050204@udel.edu> Noel, The oldest HOSTS.TXT I have is Version 1008 (1990) from hostmaster at nic.ddn.mil. If useful, I can provide that. It's about 640 kB. Dave Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer > > > I'm searching for an old version of HOSTS.TXT > > The oldest official NIC one I could locate online quickly was from 22 > March, > 1985, here: > > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops20_v6_1_tcpip_installation_tp_ft6/06/new-system/hosts.txt > > Maybe someone has an older one stashed away that's not online? > > > If all you need is the information, there's an MIT/Stanford 'hacked' one > online from March 15, 1983 (which interestingly is pre-TCP, unlike the > 1985 > NIC one), here inside this archive: > > http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1 > > That's an ITS archive, but since it's not compressed, and the contents are > mostly text you can just grovel through it with an editor and find the > file. I > don't think there's a non-ITS archive program to read ITS archives; if you > must, you can log into its.svensson.org (use TELNET) and run the ITS > archive > reader on it. (Have fun learning DDT!) > > The directory: > > http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3b > > contains much other interesting semi-antique trivia. > > > > preferrably somewhere around RFC 608 (1974) > > That's into serious history. Someone might have to spin a backup tape (if > there's a drive, and the tape doesn't disintegrate) to get one that old. > > Noel From sbrim at cisco.com Fri Dec 14 03:31:52 2007 From: sbrim at cisco.com (Scott Brim) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:31:52 -0500 Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? In-Reply-To: <4761B663.6050204@udel.edu> References: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <4761B663.6050204@udel.edu> Message-ID: <20071214113152.GA973@cisco.com> Ole Jacobsen found http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-ev83b-bm/01/new-system/hosts.txt which is from 04 Feb 1988 (part of a TOPS-20 distribution). From the.map at alum.mit.edu Sat Dec 15 00:52:33 2007 From: the.map at alum.mit.edu (Mike Padlipsky) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:52:33 -0800 Subject: [ih] Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? In-Reply-To: <20071214113152.GA973@cisco.com> References: <20071213132041.5079886AE7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <4761B663.6050204@udel.edu> <20071214113152.GA973@cisco.com> Message-ID: <200712150853.lBF8rAAj044712@zoot.lafn.org> At 03:31 AM 12/14/2007, Scott Brim wrote: >Ole Jacobsen found >http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-ev83b-bm/01/new-system/hosts.txt >which is from 04 Feb 1988 (part of a TOPS-20 distribution). would it be hopelessly xx-century of me to wonder whether anybody had asked jake? [for non-xx-c. types: that's elizabeth 'jake' feinler, former head of the original network information center, which what's left of my memory insists was where the hosts tables originally came from or at least were distributed thru, and at last report still with access to the relevant archives.] cheers, map [whose shoulder problems caused him to break down some time ago and create a 'signature' file to apologize for the lack of his formerly customary e-volubility -- and who's been employing shiftless typing for a long time now to spare his wristsnfingers, in case you didn't know ... and who's further broken down and done http://www.lafn.org/~ba213/mapstuff.html , rather grudgingly] From feinler at earthlink.net Sat Dec 15 16:53:52 2007 From: feinler at earthlink.net (E;izabeth Feinler) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:53:52 -0800 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt Message-ID: <57B42C2F-7E6E-418F-A9F4-F21D8A983089@earthlink.net> To a Requestor: Mary Stahl and Mike Padlipsky mentioned to me that someone is interested in a copy of the old Hosts.txt list. (Note: I didn't see the original message.) How far back do you want to go? This list was updated sometimes on a daily basis, so there were many versions of it. Are you interested in the format, the names of the hosts, or what? Let me know what you are looking for, and I will see if I can find what you need. Regards, Jake Feinler From vint at google.com Sat Dec 15 17:42:17 2007 From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:42:17 -0800 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt Message-ID: <0FD355E90EF18B4AAF2D13400B2C80030562F481@MTV-EXBE-2.corp.google.com> Oldest you have would be great! Vint ----- Original Message ----- From: internet-history-bounces at postel.org To: internet-history at postel.org Cc: Elizabeth Feinler Sent: Sat Dec 15 16:53:52 2007 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt To a Requestor: Mary Stahl and Mike Padlipsky mentioned to me that someone is interested in a copy of the old Hosts.txt list. (Note: I didn't see the original message.) How far back do you want to go? This list was updated sometimes on a daily basis, so there were many versions of it. Are you interested in the format, the names of the hosts, or what? Let me know what you are looking for, and I will see if I can find what you need. Regards, Jake Feinler From bortzmeyer at nic.fr Mon Dec 17 02:15:07 2007 From: bortzmeyer at nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:15:07 +0100 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt In-Reply-To: <57B42C2F-7E6E-418F-A9F4-F21D8A983089@earthlink.net> References: <57B42C2F-7E6E-418F-A9F4-F21D8A983089@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20071217101507.GA13090@nic.fr> On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:53:52PM -0800, E;izabeth Feinler wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > someone is interested in a copy of the old Hosts.txt list. This is me (original message attached). > How far back do you want to go? The further away, the better. Ideally, RFC 608 time (1974). All the copies found until now use IPv4 addresses. Except this one (http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1). > Are you interested in the format, the names of the hosts, or what? The format is described in the RFC but I'm interested in the size and in the actual data. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Stephane Bortzmeyer Subject: Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:48 +0100 Size: 4500 Url: http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20071217/e4dd3c6c/attachment.mht From feinler at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 10:34:56 2007 From: feinler at earthlink.net (E;izabeth Feinler) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:34:56 -0800 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt In-Reply-To: <20071217101507.GA13090@nic.fr> References: <57B42C2F-7E6E-418F-A9F4-F21D8A983089@earthlink.net> <20071217101507.GA13090@nic.fr> Message-ID: I will be down to the Computer History Museum on Thursday and will see what I can find for you. Any list I find will be in hardcopy, so will have to be scanned to use online. Just out of curiosity what are you doing that involves old hosts.txt lists? I couldn't imagine that anyone would want to see one. Guess I shouldn't throw anything away (not that I ever did.) :-) Regards, Jake On Dec 17, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:53:52PM -0800, > E;izabeth Feinler wrote > a message of 13 lines which said: > >> someone is interested in a copy of the old Hosts.txt list. > > This is me (original message attached). > >> How far back do you want to go? > > The further away, the better. Ideally, RFC 608 time (1974). > > All the copies found until now use IPv4 addresses. Except this one > (http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1). > >> Are you interested in the format, the names of the hosts, or what? > > The format is described in the RFC but I'm interested in the size and > in the actual data. > > > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer > Date: December 13, 2007 2:19:48 AM PST > To: internet-history at postel.org > Subject: Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? > > > I'm searching for an old version of HOSTS.TXT, preferrably somewhere > around RFC 608 (1974). The only one I know is a much recent version > (http://ftp.univie.ac.at/netinfo/netinfo/hosts.txt). > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20071217/be221b97/attachment.html From William.Plummer at alum.mit.edu Mon Dec 17 11:10:23 2007 From: William.Plummer at alum.mit.edu (William Plummer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:10:23 -0500 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I searched my listings but failed to find a HOSTS.TXT . However, I did find Tomlinson's RDMAIL.MAC from Oct-72 and SNDMSG.MAC from early '73. As time allows, I'll try to figure out how SNDMSG looked up host ddresses. --Bill -----Original Message----- From: internet-history-bounces at postel.org [mailto:internet-history-bounces at postel.org]On Behalf Of E;izabeth Feinler Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:35 PM To: Stephane Bortzmeyer; Vint Cerf Cc: internet-history at postel.org Subject: Re: [ih] Hosts.txt I will be down to the Computer History Museum on Thursday and will see what I can find for you. Any list I find will be in hardcopy, so will have to be scanned to use online. Just out of curiosity what are you doing that involves old hosts.txt lists? I couldn't imagine that anyone would want to see one. Guess I shouldn't throw anything away (not that I ever did.) :-) Regards, Jake On Dec 17, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:53:52PM -0800, E;izabeth Feinler wrote a message of 13 lines which said: someone is interested in a copy of the old Hosts.txt list. This is me (original message attached). How far back do you want to go? The further away, the better. Ideally, RFC 608 time (1974). All the copies found until now use IPv4 addresses. Except this one (http://its.svensson.org/SYSHST%3bAR1). Are you interested in the format, the names of the hosts, or what? The format is described in the RFC but I'm interested in the size and in the actual data. From: Stephane Bortzmeyer Date: December 13, 2007 2:19:48 AM PST To: internet-history at postel.org Subject: Old version of HOSTS.TXT available? I'm searching for an old version of HOSTS.TXT, preferrably somewhere around RFC 608 (1974). The only one I know is a much recent version (http://ftp.univie.ac.at/netinfo/netinfo/hosts.txt). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.postel.org/pipermail/internet-history/attachments/20071217/ea835829/attachment.html From craig at aland.bbn.com Mon Dec 17 11:25:55 2007 From: craig at aland.bbn.com (Craig Partridge) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt Message-ID: <20071217192555.60969123841@aland.bbn.com> Bill's mention of SNDMSG reminded me that I wanted to let folks know that (with input from several folks on this list), I've written a history of the development of networked email (from early ARPANET days to late NSFNET days) that is to appear in the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing early in 2008. If someone's doing work for which an early copy would be useful, drop me a note and I'll send you the PDF. (Warning, it is long -- 40 pages and 126 footnotes). Thanks! Craig From marty at martylyons.com Mon Dec 17 14:28:44 2007 From: marty at martylyons.com (Marty Lyons) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:28:44 -0800 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt In-Reply-To: <20071217192555.60969123841@aland.bbn.com> References: <20071217192555.60969123841@aland.bbn.com> Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Craig Partridge wrote: > I've written a history of the development of networked email (from > early ARPANET days to late NSFNET > days) that is to appear in the IEEE Annals of the History of > Computing early in 2008. Somewhat related to Craig's effort ... I'm continuing work on a paper which covers the evolution of inter-terminal messaging (now popularly known as "instant messaging"); several of the sources are here on the list. It should be complete in a few months; if you're interested let me know and I'll send you a copy when ready. This is a continuation of work from Ed Lazowska's terrific History of Computing graduate class here at the University of Washington (joint with Steve Maurer at Berkeley and Geoff Voelker at UCSD). You might be interested in some of the lectures available for viewing: Class site: http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/csep590a/06au/ Lectures: http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/csep590a/06au/lectures/ Marty From bortzmeyer at nic.fr Tue Dec 18 03:06:58 2007 From: bortzmeyer at nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:06:58 +0100 Subject: [ih] Hosts.txt In-Reply-To: References: <57B42C2F-7E6E-418F-A9F4-F21D8A983089@earthlink.net> <20071217101507.GA13090@nic.fr> Message-ID: <20071218110658.GA1213@nic.fr> On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:34:56AM -0800, E;izabeth Feinler wrote a message of 161 lines which said: > Any list I find will be in hardcopy, so will have to be scanned to > use online. So noone copied the files of the NIC from one media to another since this time? > Just out of curiosity what are you doing that involves old hosts.txt > lists? Precisely, curiosity (I'm writing a few texts about old pre-DNS RFC and I recently covered RFC 606 and 608).