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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.12.2012 21:30, schrieb
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dpreed@reed.com">dpreed@reed.com</a>:<br>
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<p>One other point... you all probably don't know this, but
shortly after I posted my first results, Joe Touch decided that
I should be "banned" for arguing with the well-known troll,
Richard Bennett, on this list. Apperently, disagreement with a
troll is not OK. I am still moderated (are you), and my every
post scrutinzed for disagreement with Joe Touch's views,
apparently.</p>
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With respect to your implicit question: To the best of my knowledge,
I'm not moderated. <br>
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I don't yet notice Richard Bennett, however I don't know, whether
you implicitly would like to call me a troll here. If so, I couldn't
help it. However, this shouldn't be the way, we treat each other. <br>
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What your disagreements with Joe Touch is concerned: I think, you
should discuss this with Joe Touch. <br>
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<p>I did not report any of my further experimental results on this
list for that reason. I discussed them in other fora - ones
where Richard Bennett could not disrupt conversations with his
brand of disparagement, mostly with people who could do
something about the issue (like Jim Gettys and folks in the
DOCSIS world).</p>
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I never put in question your experimental results. Why should I?<br>
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When I ask questions to your results, it is my intention to
understand them. <br>
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<p>That could be why you have not seen further mention, very
likely.</p>
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On the one hand, you well have my personal mail address, on the
other hand, the situation you describe is a bit embarrassing. And
I'm a bit unsure about how to react. (And I have to ask for some
degree of tolerance here because English is not my first language
and so I may well have missed quite some allusion or connotation
"between the lines". If so, I have to apologize, I do not want to
offend anybody.)<br>
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<p>The results of the vast Netalyzr measurements in their dataset
confirmed my observations about multiple seconds of uplink
buffering being common,, as did others' measurements. The
bufferbloat reduction effort is now going forward based on
Gettys, Jacobson, and Nichols work, with Vint Cerf's assistance.</p>
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It is surely not my intention to criticize this work.<br>
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At least, as I can partly understand your frustration. In an earlier
research project of mine, I pointed to the latencies in GPRS and no
one believed my, anything was whitewashed and I was ridiculed at. To
a certain degree, this still happens today. <br>
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This is particularly difficult when talking in foreign languages.
(Not only in German an English. I'm born in lower saxony. And moved
to Stuttgart some years ago. For lower saxons and swabians it well
holds true what an austrian comedian once said about germans and
swabians: What seperates the lower saxons from the swabians is the
common language.)(At least for people from Hannover and Stuttgart,
there are similarities. When you put together people from rural
areas, you need an interpreter.)<br>
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<p>It's very possible that Joe will not allow this message
through. However, it is possible that he might. If so, that's
great. My posts are still moderated, however, perhaps because
Richard Bennett still is viewed as an authority beyond his
knowledge and experience.</p>
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I did not read your arguments with Richard Bennett and I don't think
it will help anybody if I woule make comments on this issue.<br>
<br>
Detlef <br>
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