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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Wikipedia article is not
definitive. In particular, none of the 3 authors wrote the wikipedia
article. In general, wikipedia does well at some things, but I
wouldn't trust it to read authors' words more clearly than the authors
themselves.<br>
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In particular: there was never an "end-to-end principle". So if you
get the title wrong, why should we trust you to get the details right?<br>
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Indeed the original paper was presented at a conference, selected for
ACM TOCS (and revised to their standards), and the last, online version
is slightly different. There was also a version that was circulated
prior to the 1981 conference among peers and friends - as was the
convention in the computer systems community - some of the examples in
the 1981 version were suggested during that phase. <br>
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On 10/23/2009 03:02 PM, Lloyd Wood wrote:
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On 23 Oct 2009, at 18:52, David P. Reed wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Sorry - I figured everyone on this list knew
the paper itself, since it's cited all over the place, so I was being a
little bit terse. Anyway, one place you can get the original paper
text is online at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://web.mit.edu/Saltzer/www/publications/endtoend/endtoend.pdf">http://web.mit.edu/Saltzer/www/publications/endtoend/endtoend.pdf</a> .
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Worth stressing that there are actually multiple revisions of that
paper.
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J. Saltzer, D. Reed and D. Clark, End-to-End Arguments in System
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Design, Second International Conference on Distributed Computing
Systems (April 1981) pages 509-512.
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J. Saltzer, D. Reed and D. Clark, End-to-End Arguments in System
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Design, ACM Transactions in Computer Systems, pp. 277-288, November
1984.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/357401.357402">http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/357401.357402</a>
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The version at Saltzer's webpages above is a third version, with page
numbering 1-10, but its footnote
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on the first page is helpful at pointing out different versions.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle</a>
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could be better...
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L.
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DTN work: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/saratoga/">http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/saratoga/</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://info.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/"><http://info.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk"><L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk></a>
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